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"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 02/15/2015 at 22:12 • Filed to: Steno's M3

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So it's finally snowing here in St. Louis and I just took my girlfriend home in the M3. The roads are untreated in my area and it handled them very, very well. If I slipped the ASC caught me and put my back on course and the ABS actually kicked in when it should and helped me stop instead of making it longer like the Safari's does.

I also really like my new red brake calipers. We still have to paint the back ones though.

Also, please take note of how terribly curb-rashed my wheels are. They're all like this and it's terrible and I need new wheels. M Contour IIs, anyone?

Also, fuck these lug bolts rather than nuts.

Why the hell couldn't BMW use studs and nuts instead of this crap? It makes putting the wheel on a bit of a pain in the ass.

My airbag sensor override thing gets here Tuesday as well as my M3 badge. And I'll be starting to daily her Wednesday! :D

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:18

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Ah german engineering

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:21

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Just refinish them! Much cheaper than replacing them.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jkm7680 02/15/2015 at 22:22

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Well, I'm not a fan of the Multispokes in the first place, them being scraped up gives me an excuse to replace them eventually and have a set of wheels for winter tires.

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:23

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What kind of wheels were you thinking of, The five spokes also from the E36?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jkm7680 02/15/2015 at 22:24

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Yup.

These are some of my favorite wheels ever.

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:25

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Love how subtly curvy they are up close.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:26

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Why the hell couldn't BMW use studs and nuts instead of this crap? It makes putting the wheel on a bit of a pain in the ass.

I've gotten used to them, maybe it's just me.

Trunk Impaired 318 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:26

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I actually prefer the lug bolts that BMW uses, as for the wheels refinishing them is always fun even if you just do something stupid with them and use them as winter wheels

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Trunk Impaired 318 02/15/2015 at 22:28

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I'll probably just but Contours and use these as winter wheels in the condition they're in right now.

Or paint bright blue, just because.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 02/15/2015 at 22:29

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I'm sure I will eventually, but coming from studs that a monkey could put a tire onto it takes a bit of trial and error.

Clown Shoe Pilot > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:46

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Stud conversion kit. Works like a champ. I had them on the MINI, and I have them on the M Coupe. If I ever buy another BMW, I'll put them on that one too.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Clown Shoe Pilot 02/15/2015 at 22:48

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I think we're actually going to be buying some of these eventually. The bolts annoy my dad even more than me.

Clown Shoe Pilot > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 22:57

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Bolts are bullshit, straight up. The conversion is the way to fly. 3 tips:

1) clean the hubs thoroughly and use red loctite on the studs

2) studs into hub - GENTLY. Don't over torque it.

3) lug nut torque - GENTLY. The spec for the studs and nuts will be less than the bolts.

twochevrons > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 23:16

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I'm not sure how BMW do it, but on the other cars that I've had that have used wheel bolts (Citroën, VW, Volvo), there's a lip around the hub nut that you can usually balance the wheel on. Using that, I actually find them easier to deal with, as lining everything up is much easier – just get it onto the lip, then spin it until the holes line up. Depends a bit on the wheels, though – my Citroën's 15" steelies would balance on the lip just fine; the Volvo's fat 17" alloys, not so much.

They're a pain to get used to, but I don't mind them so much after being stuck with them for a while.

DasWauto > twochevrons 02/15/2015 at 23:36

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BMW is the same as the others you mentioned, my e30 is at least. I do the same: get it on the hub, spin to line up holes and hold with one hand while you grab and thread in a couple of the lugs with the other.

DasWauto > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 02/15/2015 at 23:41

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I imagine the use of lugs bolts is (partially) to avoid damaging the threads when installing or removing the wheels. My VWs and e30 all used lug bolts. The Mazda3 that preceded my Golf used lug nuts and studs. I've never had too much of an issue with either. With studs you have to worry about the orientation of the wheel when installing it, with lugs bolts you don't. The wheel can rest on the studs while you grab the nuts whereas with lugs bolts it can rest on the hub/centre bore but you will have to hold it on with one hand while you grab and thread in some of the bolts.

M > twochevrons 02/16/2015 at 02:47

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There's a lip and a tool (PN 71-11-1-093-774) in the trunk toolkit that helps keep it aligned and on the hub if you need to let go. A lot of people don't know about this tool. It apparently is also used for changing spark plugs, a use I didn't know until I looked it up today.

jmedarts > twochevrons 02/16/2015 at 09:06

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the lip is fine, but getting the damn holes lined up is a royal pain. I bought a tool that you screw in to help alignment, should make next time easier